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Veterans Interview - Fred Englebrecht - 19 August 2003
I didn't go in on a mother ship, I was assigned to a tank carrier, which was called a TLC, three tanks and a bulldozer, and a platoon of infantry.
We were picked to guard the tanks after they landed, so I didn't land with the main assault, we landed behind them.
As we approached the beach, our ship was hit, artillery or whatever it fired, come through the side of the ship, punched a good-sized hole in the side and ricocheted off the tanks. I know this well because one fella that was in my company, died - was killed then - the shrapnel took half his head off - Murray Bleeman, he was a Toronto boy.
When the Captain of the, the TLC decided this was not a very good situation, he swung the ship around, rolled a smoke canister off the back of the TLC and proceeded to make a run at the beach, this time he was going in under the smoke and nothing was going to stop him.
We come through the smoke and everything was coming at us, everything, you can't - you have no idea!
He lowered the ramp and the tanks started to move out, and once the tanks had moved out the infantry moved out behind them. As we were going down the ramp, the machine gun fire was so intense, it was just, just unreal. And on top of that, everything else was being thrown at us. I know the kid in front of me, I don't know his name, I'm sorry, as he's running down the ramp, I'm right behind him because I was the first in my section. He went right up in the air and I just kept on going. There was no time to stop or do anything, he was obviously hit. We landed on the beach and that was my first taste of the rocks you see out on the memorial here. Never in our wildest dreams did we expect anything like this. Already on the beach there was one tank that had its tracks broken. Now, I don't know much about tanks but they told me they didn't have battle tracks on, they had what they call training tracks, so as soon as they ran into rocks, it broke the links and the tank was out of action. Instead of being a help, it became a hindrance.
They were blowing off their - the tanks were equipped so they could go underwater, up to a certain depth - they were blowing off these charges, and of course, we were all around them, and it was more or less a hazard to us.
We moved past that, past the wire, up to the wall. I really don't want to get too much into what was going on.
I won't say I was - yes, of course, I was scared. It was a lot of murder coming down on us, it was chaos. Eventually we made our way back to the beach, there was a Brigadier. As we came back to the beach, I slid under a tank that was not in action, and I thought, "This was good place, nobody was going to get me here, two or three feet off the ground, big Churchill tank on top of me. However, the tank caught fire, and I very quickly got out from underneath there and I ran down to the beach, and there was a TLC beached in the water, and the tide was coming in, and we went around to the water side of the TLC, it was listing, and that was another safe place! Nothing could touch you there! And now the tide is coming in. With the tide came the bodies. (pause)
The Brigadier was screaming about, somebody do something, get back to the wall, put the wounded in the TLC, the tide's gonna come in, they're all gonna die if we don't get them off the beach. We tried that for a while, and successful to a degree, and then I went back to the wall. He wanted somebody to protect the troops on the beach, everybody come to the beach but there was nobody to protect them.
I went back to the wall, there was a young French Canadian collecting ammunition for the Bren guns, that didn't last very long. I came back to the beach, when it happened, when it finally happened, I had run out of the ammunition, I was running back towards the beach, when I see all these, to the left and right of me, like sparrows - they weren't sparrows, they were hand grenades.
And I dove into the rocks, and I lay there, and a terrible mind-splitting noise, like everything, and I lay there, and then deadly silence, and I thought, My God, what is going on, and I took my eye, without moving my head, I'm lying face in the water, of course, and without moving my head, I turn my head that way and as far as I can see on the wall are German soldiers and I looked the other way and the same thing.
And now I hear, Hande Hocht - get your hands up. And Kommen-see hier - come here. Now I don't speak German, at that time I didn't, I knew what they were saying, it just makes sense, and that was it.
Question: What were you thinking during the battle?
I wasn't thinking very much, I was doing my job. I was trying to keep my head . I'm not trying to be courageous or anything, I knew what I had to do. I was thinking of my family... (breaks down)
I wasn't really... I think I was just trying to do the best I could. I tried.
I became a prisoner of war, good and bad times, funny times, humorous times, cruel times. We were tied up with ropes for three months, we were in chains for 15 months. Chains became a joke after awhile. But in hindsight, I look back, you know what, it wasn't that bad.
Even though we were on starvation rations, if you minded your business, kept your nose clean, which I tried to do, you got along. You survived, that was the name of the game, you survived. It's not being brave, it's not being stupid, it's not being anything, it's being - surviving.
And I think a lot of us had the same thoughts that I had, just accept it.
I'll tell you this story - shock sets in for most people. About on the second day, they marched us through the town of Dieppe through the back country ways, and they put us in the compound surrounded by barbed wire, and they gave us a piece of black bread, about 2 or 3 slices big. And I looked at it and I broke down and I cried and I cried, and I didn't feel any shame. About half an hour later, I stopped crying, I was fine, I got over it, and I think this is what helps, emotions are something that you can't control. I'm being maudlin now, and I'm sorry for that, but it does bring back bad memories.
I joined the fire department, I've been in uniform practically all my life. I got married...
Veterans Interview - Fred Englebrecht - 19 August 2003
I didn't go in on a mother ship, I was assigned to a tank carrier, which was called a TLC, three tanks and a bulldozer, and a platoon of infantry.
We were picked to guard the tanks after they landed, so I didn't land with the main assault, we landed behind them.
As we approached the beach, our ship was hit, artillery or whatever it fired, come through the side of the ship, punched a good-sized hole in the side and ricocheted off the tanks. I know this well because one fella that was in my company, died - was killed then - the shrapnel took half his head off - Murray Bleeman, he was a Toronto boy.
When the Captain of the, the TLC decided this was not a very good situation, he swung the ship around, rolled a smoke canister off the back of the TLC and proceeded to make a run at the beach, this time he was going in under the smoke and nothing was going to stop him.
We come through the smoke and everything was coming at us, everything, you can't - you have no idea!
He lowered the ramp and the tanks started to move out, and once the tanks had moved out the infantry moved out behind them. As we were going down the ramp, the machine gun fire was so intense, it was just, just unreal. And on top of that, everything else was being thrown at us. I know the kid in front of me, I don't know his name, I'm sorry, as he's running down the ramp, I'm right behind him because I was the first in my section. He went right up in the air and I just kept on going. There was no time to stop or do anything, he was obviously hit. We landed on the beach and that was my first taste of the rocks you see out on the memorial here. Never in our wildest dreams did we expect anything like this. Already on the beach there was one tank that had its tracks broken. Now, I don't know much about tanks but they told me they didn't have battle tracks on, they had what they call training tracks, so as soon as they ran into rocks, it broke the links and the tank was out of action. Instead of being a help, it became a hindrance.
They were blowing off their - the tanks were equipped so they could go underwater, up to a certain depth - they were blowing off these charges, and of course, we were all around them, and it was more or less a hazard to us.
We moved past that, past the wire, up to the wall. I really don't want to get too much into what was going on.
I won't say I was - yes, of course, I was scared. It was a lot of murder coming down on us, it was chaos. Eventually we made our way back to the beach, there was a Brigadier. As we came back to the beach, I slid under a tank that was not in action, and I thought, "This was good place, nobody was going to get me here, two or three feet off the ground, big Churchill tank on top of me. However, the tank caught fire, and I very quickly got out from underneath there and I ran down to the beach, and there was a TLC beached in the water, and the tide was coming in, and we went around to the water side of the TLC, it was listing, and that was another safe place! Nothing could touch you there! And now the tide is coming in. With the tide came the bodies. (pause)
The Brigadier was screaming about, somebody do something, get back to the wall, put the wounded in the TLC, the tide's gonna come in, they're all gonna die if we don't get them off the beach. We tried that for a while, and successful to a degree, and then I went back to the wall. He wanted somebody to protect the troops on the beach, everybody come to the beach but there was nobody to protect them.
I went back to the wall, there was a young French Canadian collecting ammunition for the Bren guns, that didn't last very long. I came back to the beach, when it happened, when it finally happened, I had run out of the ammunition, I was running back towards the beach, when I see all these, to the left and right of me, like sparrows - they weren't sparrows, they were hand grenades.
And I dove into the rocks, and I lay there, and a terrible mind-splitting noise, like everything, and I lay there, and then deadly silence, and I thought, My God, what is going on, and I took my eye, without moving my head, I'm lying face in the water, of course, and without moving my head, I turn my head that way and as far as I can see on the wall are German soldiers and I looked the other way and the same thing.
And now I hear, Hande Hocht - get your hands up. And Kommen-see hier - come here. Now I don't speak German, at that time I didn't, I knew what they were saying, it just makes sense, and that was it.
Question: What were you thinking during the battle?
I wasn't thinking very much, I was doing my job. I was trying to keep my head . I'm not trying to be courageous or anything, I knew what I had to do. I was thinking of my family... (breaks down)
I wasn't really... I think I was just trying to do the best I could. I tried.
I became a prisoner of war, good and bad times, funny times, humorous times, cruel times. We were tied up with ropes for three months, we were in chains for 15 months. Chains became a joke after awhile. But in hindsight, I look back, you know what, it wasn't that bad.
Even though we were on starvation rations, if you minded your business, kept your nose clean, which I tried to do, you got along. You survived, that was the name of the game, you survived. It's not being brave, it's not being stupid, it's not being anything, it's being - surviving.
And I think a lot of us had the same thoughts that I had, just accept it.
I'll tell you this story - shock sets in for most people. About on the second day, they marched us through the town of Dieppe through the back country ways, and they put us in the compound surrounded by barbed wire, and they gave us a piece of black bread, about 2 or 3 slices big. And I looked at it and I broke down and I cried and I cried, and I didn't feel any shame. About half an hour later, I stopped crying, I was fine, I got over it, and I think this is what helps, emotions are something that you can't control. I'm being maudlin now, and I'm sorry for that, but it does bring back bad memories.
I joined the fire department, I've been in uniform practically all my life. I got married...